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		<title>By: Ian Thomson</title>
		<link>http://avoidingthedrop.com/2010/01/06/trickle-down-soccernomics/comment-page-1/#comment-9647</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Thomson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for providing an excellent summary. It&#039;s nearly impossible to keep up with &quot;developments&quot; within the domestic U.S. game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for providing an excellent summary. It&#8217;s nearly impossible to keep up with &#8220;developments&#8221; within the domestic U.S. game.</p>
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		<title>By: Fuse</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[KT,

Thanks for the corrections.  I was going by what I could find on specific team sites and the USL site as well, bolstered by news articles where I could find them.  I will make some changes in the article based on your comments.

As to your comment, &quot;If you&#039;ve ever seen USL-2...,&quot; actually, I have I&#039;ve seen about 75% of the Pioneers home games over the last four years and pretty much every USL-2 team that the New England Revolution have faced at home (or near &quot;home&quot;) in US Open Cup play over the same period. Because the Pioneers were an anomaly in USL-2 (lots of long term, older players, a club with a LONG history and still surrounded by a very supportive Portguese-American population) I do believe that their on-field product will suffer markedly.  

I was perhaps a bit too hyperbolic in saying that two dozen players at the WMP will lose their jobs (it&#039;s probably more like 15), but I know from talking with Greg Kolodziey last summer (for an article that ultimately did not come to fruition) that the entire squad were employed as full-time professionals.  I pressed Greg on this point and while he would not talk numbers with me, he made it clear that, while some had other sources of income (running clinics and camps for the club as well as outside employment), they could live on what the Pioneers paid them.  Now, that may be the crux of the Pioneers problems- overpaying for players in a third tier league- but that is my understanding of the situation at the club.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KT,</p>
<p>Thanks for the corrections.  I was going by what I could find on specific team sites and the USL site as well, bolstered by news articles where I could find them.  I will make some changes in the article based on your comments.</p>
<p>As to your comment, &#8220;If you&#8217;ve ever seen USL-2&#8230;,&#8221; actually, I have I&#8217;ve seen about 75% of the Pioneers home games over the last four years and pretty much every USL-2 team that the New England Revolution have faced at home (or near &#8220;home&#8221;) in US Open Cup play over the same period. Because the Pioneers were an anomaly in USL-2 (lots of long term, older players, a club with a LONG history and still surrounded by a very supportive Portguese-American population) I do believe that their on-field product will suffer markedly.  </p>
<p>I was perhaps a bit too hyperbolic in saying that two dozen players at the WMP will lose their jobs (it&#8217;s probably more like 15), but I know from talking with Greg Kolodziey last summer (for an article that ultimately did not come to fruition) that the entire squad were employed as full-time professionals.  I pressed Greg on this point and while he would not talk numbers with me, he made it clear that, while some had other sources of income (running clinics and camps for the club as well as outside employment), they could live on what the Pioneers paid them.  Now, that may be the crux of the Pioneers problems- overpaying for players in a third tier league- but that is my understanding of the situation at the club.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron B.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cameron B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate to  nitpick a great article, but Jarrett is right. As reported at aztexan.net, there will be no U23 PDL squad for the Austin Aztex. Also, there is no promotion and relegation between USL-1 and USL-2.  Teams dropping from USL-2 to PDL aren&#039;t doing so because they have nowhere to move up, because there is nothing they can do on the field to get to USL-1.  It&#039;s my understanding that they are doing so because of expenses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to  nitpick a great article, but Jarrett is right. As reported at aztexan.net, there will be no U23 PDL squad for the Austin Aztex. Also, there is no promotion and relegation between USL-1 and USL-2.  Teams dropping from USL-2 to PDL aren&#8217;t doing so because they have nowhere to move up, because there is nothing they can do on the field to get to USL-1.  It&#8217;s my understanding that they are doing so because of expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: KT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lots of fact errors here.

The PDL is the Premier Development League, not the Professional Development League. 

No, Austin does NOT have a PDL side to fall back on any longer. The Aztex U23 are not included in the lineup of PDL teams for 2010. 

There IS a Rochester, Minnesota PDL team called the Thunder, but I am not sure the Minnesota Thunder has the resources to fund it. The Minnesota Thunder appears to exist only on paper, as they&#039;ve lost their coach, their GM and their president (not to mention a boatload of money) since the season ended and all of their players are free agents. It would be a pretty big upset if the Minnesota Thunder played in 2010, and that may not bode well for the Rochester Thunder. 

How did &quot;several dozen&quot; players lose jobs by Western Mass self-relegating? Western Mass didn&#039;t HAVE several dozen players, and surely some of them are U-23. And there isn&#039;t a restriction on players who were (or are) professionals in status playing in the PDL. It&#039;s an open league. 

There is no &quot;official&quot; Division II league - USSF could sanction more than one and they&#039;d BOTH be &quot;official.&quot; They opted (prudently, as you say) not to sanction either. Yet.

If you&#039;ve ever seen USL-2, it&#039;s kinda hard to say the quality of play is going to &quot;obviously&quot; drop. The quality of play in USL-2 is not all that great. You actually get a slightly better crop of players with college kids than with the semi-pros who aren&#039;t good enough for the DII or MLS levels. 

Finally, what damage has been done, really? It&#039;s tangled up right now. There are some bruised egos. Some hurt feelings. Some uncertainty. But people who think this has damaged the game in this country also probably thought us not qualifying for the Athens Olympics in soccer set the sport back 20 years. They were wrong. The game is too strong to be irreparably harmed in this country. 

This is a bump in the road and a pain in the neck right now. But &#039;tis but a scratch. &quot;The game&quot; in this country is not going to be built on temporary drama in the second division.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of fact errors here.</p>
<p>The PDL is the Premier Development League, not the Professional Development League. </p>
<p>No, Austin does NOT have a PDL side to fall back on any longer. The Aztex U23 are not included in the lineup of PDL teams for 2010. </p>
<p>There IS a Rochester, Minnesota PDL team called the Thunder, but I am not sure the Minnesota Thunder has the resources to fund it. The Minnesota Thunder appears to exist only on paper, as they&#8217;ve lost their coach, their GM and their president (not to mention a boatload of money) since the season ended and all of their players are free agents. It would be a pretty big upset if the Minnesota Thunder played in 2010, and that may not bode well for the Rochester Thunder. </p>
<p>How did &#8220;several dozen&#8221; players lose jobs by Western Mass self-relegating? Western Mass didn&#8217;t HAVE several dozen players, and surely some of them are U-23. And there isn&#8217;t a restriction on players who were (or are) professionals in status playing in the PDL. It&#8217;s an open league. </p>
<p>There is no &#8220;official&#8221; Division II league &#8211; USSF could sanction more than one and they&#8217;d BOTH be &#8220;official.&#8221; They opted (prudently, as you say) not to sanction either. Yet.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve ever seen USL-2, it&#8217;s kinda hard to say the quality of play is going to &#8220;obviously&#8221; drop. The quality of play in USL-2 is not all that great. You actually get a slightly better crop of players with college kids than with the semi-pros who aren&#8217;t good enough for the DII or MLS levels. </p>
<p>Finally, what damage has been done, really? It&#8217;s tangled up right now. There are some bruised egos. Some hurt feelings. Some uncertainty. But people who think this has damaged the game in this country also probably thought us not qualifying for the Athens Olympics in soccer set the sport back 20 years. They were wrong. The game is too strong to be irreparably harmed in this country. </p>
<p>This is a bump in the road and a pain in the neck right now. But &#8217;tis but a scratch. &#8220;The game&#8221; in this country is not going to be built on temporary drama in the second division.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarrett C.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jarrett C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Minor point.  I believe Austin have dropped their U23s, PDL side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor point.  I believe Austin have dropped their U23s, PDL side.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Chobaniuk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Chobaniuk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s worth noting that on numerous occasions Whitecaps President Bob Lenarduzzi has mentioned keeping a team in the NASL/USL-1 after the whitecaps move up to MLS, possibly locating that team in Edmonton.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that on numerous occasions Whitecaps President Bob Lenarduzzi has mentioned keeping a team in the NASL/USL-1 after the whitecaps move up to MLS, possibly locating that team in Edmonton.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane Rollins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duane Rollins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The CSA hasn&#039;t &quot;declined to sanction either league.&quot; It&#039;s declined to do anything until the USSF does. Slightly different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CSA hasn&#8217;t &#8220;declined to sanction either league.&#8221; It&#8217;s declined to do anything until the USSF does. Slightly different.</p>
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		<title>By: lowercase</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is going to work out great!

Sincerely, Open-Wheel Auto Racing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is going to work out great!</p>
<p>Sincerely, Open-Wheel Auto Racing.</p>
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